# The Scio-security Tumble-drier [David Franz](https://uploads.fas.org/2016/02/fasinterviewdf_final.pdf), ex-Commander USAMRIID: *There was a sense that we, the military and civilian employees, were in this together; we were a team, a family. We not only survived, but also prospered.* Sure did. **All** of our *Celebrity Scientists* are cases-in-point. They: 1. Rose to wealth/fame/power on [bio-security events](http://formosahut.com/forum/index.php?id=2494) 2. Are calling the shots today That’s clear. The tricky part is working out: * Which side are you on exactly?* You’d think it’d be straight-forward - western scientists working with western intelligence - Chinese with Chinese security. But here’s the thing about Covid - somehow * - it all got mixed up* - My argument is that the leaders of the science community came to realize they were all on the same page as the leaders of security organizations - regardless of their nationality. The glue, is centralized power wielded from a position of non-accountability. We've already covered the Wellcome Trust leadership: [Baroness Eliza Manningham-Buller](https://dulandrift.formosahut.com/books/the-covid-atrocity/page/baroness-eliza-manningham-buller) [Paul Schreier](https://dulandrift.formosahut.com/books/the-covid-atrocity/page/paul-schreier) [Gabriel Leung](https://dulandrift.formosahut.com/books/the-covid-atrocity/page/gabriel-leung) They are all dual-purpose Science/Secret Security functionaries running a major Research Foundation. But there's plenty more where they came from. This chapter reviews several more Celebrity Scientists who fit the bill.