# The Curious Case of Dominic Dwyer & SARS-1

A standard intro for Dwyer is:

[ABC:](https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/worldtoday/scientists-develop-first-lab-grown-version-of-coronavirus/11909900) *An Australian scientist with direct experience in dealing with an outbreak of this type, is Professor Dominic Dwyer, who **worked with the WHO on SARS***.

Dwyer published SARS papers with Chinese researchers, he was a SARS WHO investigator around the time it twice escaped from a Beijing lab.

Let’s forget the [conspiracy theories](http://formosahut.com/forum/index.php?id=2842) for a moment re your proximal origin to those lab-leaks - but bare-bones we can agree: you’re a **world-leading expert** on SARS-1, right? Indeed, you embrace the mantle of *[international expert](https://theconversation.com/i-was-the-australian-doctor-on-the-whos-covid-19-mission-to-china-heres-what-we-found-about-the-origins-of-the-coronavirus-155554)*, and trade off your *[experience with SARS](https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jan/16/at-the-coalface-what-the-australian-expert-in-whos-covid-mission-in-china-hopes-to-find)* to support the case that a lab-leak was *extremely unlikely*.

[Your alternative truth:](https://dailybulletin.com.au/news/59968-the-who-report-into-the-origin-of-the-coronavirus-is-out-here-s-what-happens-next-says-the-australian-doctor-who-went-to-china) *SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, most likely arose in bats, and then spread to humans via an as-yet unidentified intermediary animal.*

This conclusion is based on an oft-repeated premise:

[Dwyer:](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-nA4xxcLUM) *(Timestamp 0:00) Well look uhm - that’s always been the pattern of the spread of these viruses you know from bats from some sort of animal into humans - it happened with SARS, it’s happened with MERS ... uhm … so therefore uhmm ... **that’s always been the pattern** .. you know - from bats from some sort of animal into humans.*

I’m detecting a pattern, Dom, of behaviour by scientists who’ve built careers out of collaborating with CCP-run institutions - but let's stay on point. For the record, **your premise is:**

Covid has a natural zoonotic origin because *it’s **always been the pattern** - from bats - some sort of animal into humans* - *just like SARS and MERS* - whilst pushing any meaningful conclusion back into the never-never:

[Dwyer:](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-28/aussie-who-investigator-defends-wuhan-study/100175292) *(O)rigins - studies of diseases - those sorts of studies can take **many many years*** (many many billions in public money).

(Even then) *we may **[never find](https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jan/16/at-the-coalface-what-the-australian-expert-in-whos-covid-mission-in-china-hopes-to-find)** virus zero. .. Same with SARS - it took **10 or 15 years** before the causative sort of virus in animals was found - so it can take time.*

So Dominic, SARS expert-extraordinaire, what was it? 10 years? Or 15? They’re quite different numbers. And what was this *causative sort of virus in some sort of animal* exactly? Or you really don’t know?

This is the curious part - considering you’re a world-leading expert on SARS - it all sounds terribly vague. But from this vague premise you then claim:

[Dwyer:](https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/jan/16/at-the-coalface-what-the-australian-expert-in-whos-covid-mission-in-china-hopes-to-find) *There is **evidence** that suggests the virus jumped from a natural reservoir, such as bats, to an intermediary animal host, possibly triggering an outbreak among animals in the **Wuhan wet market.***

For perspective, the above quoted interview was conducted on **May 28, 2021**. All the fattest rats jumped ship two months prior - Tedros, Fauci, then the whole effluent of experts sludged their way off to reconfigure themselves - but not you. It’s admirable in a way - you and Eddie are good Aussies, right? Sticking by your (CCP) mates when they’re down?  
  
Last chance Dominic:

[ABC:](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-28/aussie-who-investigator-defends-wuhan-study/100175292) (0:00) *Professor Dwyer, thanks for joining us - you’ve been to the Wuhan institute of Virology - do you still think it’s ‘extremely unlikely’ it escaped from* there?

[Dwyer (0:10)](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-28/aussie-who-investigator-defends-wuhan-study/100175292):  *Look, I do .. I mean we have many other viruses that have **clearly** gone from bats into animals into humans .. it happened with SARS, it's happened with MERS.*

There it is - straight from the expert's mouth for the umpteenth time. So if we can agree that your premise, *it’s always been the pattern from bats to animals to humans* is false, then we can deduce that your conclusion is false. Sound fair? Let’s take a look at SARS first.